My Post of Extreme Excitement about Sarah Palin made a thoughtful reader of this blog delurk out of surprise.
Here is part of what she (I think she's a "she") wrote:
It's Palin lack of experience that I object to. I am not comparing her to Obama or Biden. She has 2 years as governor of a wealthy state with around 600,000 people. My feelings about her would be very different if she had completed her term as governor and then went on to serve in the Senate or the House in DC. I think she is a poor choice. While I admire McCain's toughness in living with many physical disabilities and medical conditions, I am seriously concerned about the toll that serving as president takes on all of presidents especially since he is, let's face it, getting old. The before and after photos of our presidents after one and two terms are shocking. It is one tough job. A VP candidate who is experienced in national and foreign affairs would have been as asset, a true partner, and, I believe, eased the burden that any candidate for president must be prepared to bear. Your view of Palin startled me since your reaction is so different from mine.
See this post for the whole comment.
I was going to reply in the comment section, but I decided to make another post of it because, well, she said she would like to hear what I think as Gov. Palin moves into the national scene and she is a fan of Shark-Bites, so clearly, she is AWESOME. (Anonymous - if you're a dude, I'm sorry about all the shes and hers.)
In terms of experience and not comparing Palin to Obama, it's hard for me to look at Palin in isolation like that because, if she's not elected with McCain, we get Obama-Biden. So it seems logical to say, "If I'm not comfortable with her level of experience, what does their experience look like?" It's a serious question and it is one of the things that bothers me about Obama.
McCain clearly had more seasoned choices. However, he's not about throwing this election away (I'd bet some money on that), and he didn't chose Gov. Palin lightly. As I learn about Palin, here's my take-away: She may have been up there in bum-doink Alaska, not exactly a populous state (or even contiguous for that matter - pretty removed from our daily national news), but Alaska has been rife with political corruption. Palin bucked her own party, faced down the "good 'ol boys" up there, and won. She has a record of digging in and fighting for what she believes in. I think she's smart and tenacious and is in this for the right reasons.
When I was 17 in 1984, Geraldine Ferraro was named the vice-presidential candidate on the ticket with Walter Mondale. I made an assumption at that time that the Oval Office was now open to women. I thought women would be in the mix from that point on.
I wasn't old enough to vote in 1984, but if someone had told me then that I would be 41 years old before the opportunity came for me to vote for a woman for president or vice president, I would have been stunned. Absolutely stunned.
I'm not voting for McCain-Palin just because she is a woman. No one with any sense really thinks women will just automatically vote for women; that's a press and spin-doctor-created contention. I am voting for a Republican ticket that better reflects most (not all and not perfectly) my beliefs about the role of the federal goverment in people's lives. And I like that Palin puts a different face, a more humanizing and accessible face, on the GOP. And finally getting to vote for a woman? Yeah, I'll take that.
Edited to add:
As far as the Bristol Palin pregnancy, see White Trash Mom's post. My sentiments exactly. And read this too from Jezebel - things aren't always what they seem, no?
By the way, some of the people quoted in The Wall Street Journal article are infuriating to me! Who will take care of the baby while Sarah works? COME ON. She has a husband. They are his kids too. WTF do you suppose he'll be doing, waiting for her to come home from Capitol Hill and cook dinner? I'm thinking he's capable of handling the children. If it were a man with children, including a special needs child, do you think anyone would be asking what business he has running for VP? God, will it never end? Mommy has to do everything? Still? Good thing it doesn't work that way at my house or we'd be in big trouble.
Video on the issue of why a woman with children is "an issue" and a man with children is not. Go Megan (the interviewer!).
Monday, September 1, 2008
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30 Fabulous People Comment:
Love reading your take on all this.
I'm with you on the caring for the children, too. It's infuriating to me how women can be the first to cut other women down. Hell my husband cooks 90 percent of the time AND is a small business owner! ;)
And please give McCain and his staff some credit. I don't doubt this decision was very well thought out!
p.s. this is a cool quote from Palin about her husband:
“He can go on just an hour or two of sleep a night. He says, ‘I can sleep when I die,’ ” said Sarah Palin. “There is no way I could have done this job without his tremendous contributions to the home life. He’s able to keep it organized, like a well-oiled machine.”
It's from this LA Times piece...
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/06/news/adna-dude6
I agree with you in that husbands should not automatically be considered as inferior in raising children. I did not know when the story broke that her husband had been playing this role.
I also agree that women should be able to have it all. Albeit difficult at times, that's what I'm trying to do -- balance my roles as wife, mother, daughter, sister and employee, sometimes more successfully than others.
Aside from my political differences with McCain/Palin, what is causing a real cognitive dissonance with me right now is how those who regularly speak out strongly against women with children working outside the home are suddenly singing her praises -- Dobson et al. Have they suddenly decided that it is not so evil after all? Or is she just a "special case" because it helps get their preferred elected? Would they be as supportive of her career if she were not in the political arena -- just your average working mom, or if she were on the other side?
Jamie: He cooks? All the time? Wow girl. He gets my vote. And thanks for the link!
Lisa: I'm sure her social conservatism is a thumbs up, but I haven't seen any statements from that camp about the whole "women should be home with the kids thing."
1) I agree that her husband should stay home. No big deal about that.
2) Not all vaginas are created equal. I don't know why McCain picked her. It sounds simplistic to assume that women will switch parties to vote for a woman, but I'm distressed at the number of women who are doing just that. Or...say they will. Who knows?
3) I'm more in line with your anonymouse commenter. It's hard for me to believe that the Evangelical base can get behind a working woman at all...much less one who might be VP. In fact, if she were a Democrat, I can well imagine FOX News (and James Dobson) drawing a straight line between the mother who works away from her kids...and a pregnant teenage daughter) I draw no such conclusion, but I don't think that way.
Either way...I'm voting Democratic...the way I was always going to. Enjoy hearing your take on things. Thanks for coming by my blog.
Not anonymous. Her name is Lisa. Sorry.
whew. we had quite an interesting discussion about this last night - as we had a dinner table full of juniors from the HS band. What a conversation. MANY of them were very incensed that a "republican" candidate showed up to the party with a suprise like this, because as one of them said - they claim to be the "moral" majority. I thought this issue shouldn't even be in the mix. there is NO ONE in this world whose children are immune to drugs, sex and other things we wish to keep them from at such a young age. As white trash mom said (or meant to say, she left out the word "but" :) ) there BUT for the grace of god go I. Meaning if grace had not intervened, i could be in that boat with her. Who knows, i might yet. i hope not. but i'm not so naive to say shit like that isn't going to hit the fan in my house at some point.
We could all be there sistah - in a heartbeat.
At least she's walking her talk.
Not my candidate - but her family's in my thoughts.
apathy: You and Lisa are probably onto somethng there with the radical evangelicals. And you are right - every vagina is different (never thought I'd type that). McCain didn't think that Hill voters would rush en masse to vote for him.
maitland: HELLO! Thanks for the very good comment here. It sure is easy to take a stand on some things and it sure can be hard to follow through when life tests you out on it. Maybe the "moral majority" (I do not like that phrase) is unwittingly demonstrating what the consequences are of some moral failures and how you might deal in a morally upright and responsible way with the consequences?
Anyway, that would be my response.
I had no difficulty with Mrs. Clinton' problems with her teenage husband. I don't see why I should lose any sleep over Mrs. Palin's teenage children.
As to her husband cooking, fine with her. I'm not sure I like caribou that much.
BA
Good discussion Amy. Now then, did someone mention shark bites? :)
Did you ever know that you're my hero?
anonymous: ha- good one.
MamaGeek: Shark Bites bring all American's together in a bipartisan way to enjoy a genuine giggle!
Honey Bunch: I've missed ya Sister! Thanks!
I'm just sayin' "hi"...Quite frankly, I wanted to vote for Mark Warner (Dem., look him up)...
But what about the fact that McCain voted against the equal pay for equal work bill? That bothers me.
But I do agree that her her having kids shouldn't be an issue. I just wonder if one woman making it will eclipse the problems of so many more of us :(
Great commentary going here. I've said it before, it is about time this country had another female veepee nomination. Go vaginas! LOL
It's unfortunate for me that the only thing I agree with her on is equal pay. Democrat here!! Do ya still love me?
I just thought it's about bloomin' time this country had a female pee nom too! LOL Does that make sense?
Id and crunchie: McCain gets a big FAIL for the equal pay thing. But if that's his biggest flaw? Palin coming on board (you can bet your ass she'll vote for equal pay) is exactly what we need to correct this type of bias.
Obama was born to a young unwed mother. I wonder who will point that out?
crunchiemummy: I lova ya all the more!! Thanks for commenting!
It was Barack, Barack and more Obby on TV and everywhere. Then, Palin appears. All of a sudden, who is Barack again? All the guys are whao, yeah, hawt, and the girls are like, I'd like to have a beer and go fishing with her.
I'd say, D and C got sour grapes.
Ron: You hit the nail on the head. This is killing them. Unexpected, exciting LIFE from the Republicans! Who'd a thunk it!
I'll drink with her. Hell I'll even fish with her. Most importantly, I'm voting for her.
"Obama was born to a young unwed mother. I wonder who will point that out?"
Obama immediately pointed out that his mother was 18 when he was born. I don't know if his parents married prior to or after coitus, but she wasn't an "unwed mother" until the father left when Obama was 2 YO. Obama has also challenged fathers to step up for families.
The more to the point statement by Obama was that this child is off limits for discussion as far as he is concerned. This statement came right away immediately, and I don't think this is a liberal issue (because liberals don't tend to judge family make-up) so the "liberal" media bias shouldn't be an issue even if they feel there is hypocracy in the air.
I WAS born to an unwed pregnant mother (who married prior to the birth of my brother). My mother also worked out of necessity. I'm hoping that the ability to chose a destiny of opportunity as my mother and Palin did is still available without stigma to my daughter and me. If Palin's political philosophy is to truly stay out of my life, then that's great, but that's not how government works.
As an Arizonan I've had the chance to vote McCain (and have), but I'm Obama all the way (though not sure about his VEEP - strong but boring).
Been lurking and enjoying the blog. I felt like jumping in today. Thanks for the chance at civil discourse with a good array of female voices.
ballenger: Welcome!! I completely agree that Obama did the right thing in immediately saying that the kids should be off limits.
It hasn't stopped ANYONE in the press of course, but he's gets full credit for saying it anyway.
Thanks Amy. I forgot to add that I'm SO looking forward to Palin's speech tonight so that we can get to know her better. She's going to hit it out of the park, though my suspicion is that I won't agree with her politics.
And, I agree about press coverage. I remember from journalism school "if it bleeds it leads". In other words, chase the salacious stories because they sell newspapers and that sells advertisements. The press respected Senator Clinton's request to stay away from Chelsea and in return they would keep her off the political stage. The press should give the Palins the same courtesy.
The son of a Democratic governor in my home state killed himself after he was arrested for pot possession and the press covered it EVERY DAY. Maria Shriver came to cover the suicide in terms of how aggressively the press pursues the families of the famous. That was in the early 1990s.
How's this for coming out of lurking? Now I won't shut up.
ballenger: Isn't this FUN?? It's 6:14 and I'm just waiting to toss those kids in bed and curl up with a legal pad and a bourbon on the rocks and watch her go!
Great post!
What irks me the most is the assumption that all republicans are extreme religious conservatives.
I'm repub but agree with some democratic views. My values are just more aligned with the GOP.
I'm a practicing Catholic. I'm pro-choice although I could never have an abortion myself or would want my daughters to choose to abort.
I like Dobson and agree with most of his views but I do not agree that all women should stay home.Every women needs to do what is best for their family.
Life is full of contradictions and I think it is irresponsible for naysayers to say that all republicans are hypocrites for backing up Palin. There ARE a group of religious conservatives that are not thrilled with Palin. One was quoted in my paper this morning saying that Palin not staying home with her special needs child goes against her value set. This is NOT what the majority think though.
I have to agree with Ron that there are some sour grapes that Palin has taken Obama's spotlight.
And Liz in that video is totally talking out of her ass. Not only is she overgeneralizing about what republicans think but she's spouting off that conservatives are the ones questioning Palin's ability to be VP and a mother and then when Megan tells her that she's getting a different opinion from the people she says that it's because she's at the rep. convention and they are siding with their candidate. So which is it, Liz? How am I feeling? All the republicans I know feel that Palin being a working mom, having a child with Downs, and a knocked up daughter is a non issue.If anything it makes her more human.
Like I've always said, don't ever underestimate the power of the vagina!
Slackermommy: Great comment and great post on your blog today!
What a creepy aliance has emerged huh? Right-wing ultra conservatives and liberal feminists- all thinking this woman with more than the typical one or two kids shouldn't be running for Veep.
I think the real issue here is that Palin is a strong 'new' feminist role model and she isn't what the left wanted. They wanted Hillary to embody new feminism and I think they are reeling that Palin is so appealing and yet so, well, not them.
I think Palin's story is great inspiration for other woman who may want to enter politics. From hockey mom to mayor to governor to VP candidate, pretty cool. I find her fiestiness appealing.
However, I flat out don't agree with her politics, so she won't be getting my vote.
oof! I was just talking to my grandmother about Palin, and she said "Who's going to take care of her kids?" I thought of you, and argued vehemently on her behalf. (even though I'm totally voting for Obama). :)
You said it better than I ever could! THANKS and can I borrow some of your reasoning! Voting McCain/Palin for sure!
Thanks again!
I just can't hush myself -- to the poster who is worried about McCain being healthy enough to last through the presidency and therefore freaking about Sarah Palin. A. Did you see his mom, she's 90-something and looks and speaks great! B. Are you actually ignorant enough to think that the President decides everything for this country? Ever heard of Congress? The Cabinet? If Palin were to somehow take office, she would be surrounded by the same advisors that McCain had selected, of course she could clean house fire them all and get her own, but, at least initially she would be surrounded by his same advisors and Congress wouldn't change it's makeup at all.
OMG I HATE FOX NEWS!
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